Thursday, 10 April 2008

Silvers Outfitters from Gerry Potter


Attached is a scan with three photo's, the top one is Silvers as it was in 1948 and the second sometime later (probably 1951) with myself standing outside (my father managed the shop for over 20 years) the bottom one is a view of the School taken in the sixties, probably '62 or
'63 about 5 years after I left and I visited the school as part of my job. I do not know who the two masters are.

My abiding memories of the CCF can be summarised as below:-
1.0 Join the RAF section and sit in a nice warm classroom learning
navigation rather than doing square bashing.
2.0 The discovery on one excercise that if the barrel of a 'Bren' was
stuffed into a bank it would fire on 'automatic' even when using blanks.
It did not do the gun any good though!
3.0 RAF camp one Easter to RAF Watton in Norfolk where a Sergeant
(whose name is long forgotton) drove up and down the runway in a Landrover at night with lights and shotguns mounted shooting the gulls!
Doing 'bumps and circuits' in 'Cambridge' aircraft (whatever they were) while the regular aircrew tried to make us sick - and quite often succeeded. A trip to RAF Waddington where we saw V bombers doing ground tests of their engines- the noise!!
4.0 Another excercise where we were 'an amphibious landing', formed up
on the beach and stormed inland onto the Browndown Ranges carrying 303's, Bren's etc, much to the surprise of civilians passing along the public road that seperated the range from the sea at that point!
5.0 At the Annual Parade the RAF Section nearly always outperformed
the Army at marching etc etc , too much training we suspected - the Army had 'burnt out'!

Regards,

Gerry Potter

Wednesday, 9 April 2008

Robin Ward recalls

Hello Michael,

Reading through John Hawkins' remarks has prompted me to send you a few more memories of the CCF.

I touched on the subject briefly in the articles "Young Person's Guide...." which I sent you some years ago, but here's a bit more:

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My first contact with the CCF came right at the beginning of my time at Price's in 1963 when timetables were handed out and I noticed that the letters CCF had been slated in on Monday afternoons – and for two periods as well! Latin, Maths, English, French …. all these made some kind of sense, but CCF?

Musing as to the meaning of the letters, I asked around, and when another lad in my form who was already in the know told me what they stood for I must have the 11-year-old's equivalent of a heart attack. I knew that I wouldn't have the slightest intention of joining the Armed Forces when I was older, and wondered what the point of this play-acting was supposed to be. If it was to instil discipline and respect in first-formers, I guessed there were other ways this could be done – and probably more effectively.

It was quite intimidating at the beginning to be confronted with large and sometimes rather bullyish sixth-formers playing at being Army corporals, giving silly orders and paying an inordinate amount of attention to petty details concerning our uniforms – boots not shiny enough, berets not sitting properly, belt buckles not gleaming, etc. And, as John Hawkins quite rightly says, it was unbelievable how seriously all this was taken – as though it was in some way intended to influence Britain's future as a military power. I remember that one character once confronted me at the weekly uniform inspection by pointing out that my belt buckle looked as though nothing had been done to it for months and he wanted to see it shining properly by next week, which really annoyed me as I couldn't do anything about the rather ineffective stuff we'd been given to polish our buckles – or (another subject of irritation) the badly-fitting uniform I'd been handed out.

However, my father looked around in the garage and came up with some proper metal polish which enabled me to put paid to this particular character’s complaints – and after I later managed to get my too-short trousers changed as well I at least had no more hassles on the uniform front.

As I advanced through the different forms the "hierarchy" became less and less formidable. When I was in 5R a large group of us were, for several weeks, herded over to the Harrison Road annexe for our parading, where we wouldn’t be seen - perhaps, I surmised, to spare the embarrassment (or amusement) of the other pupils and staff. Whoever was supposed to be in charge of us in those weeks didn’t seem to take it very seriously, as on more than one occasion a group of us were just left to march on and on without any further orders until we all walked into the wall at the end of the playground, assuming that we were supposed to climb it somehow, or, marching badly out of time, tripped over each other and collapsed in a heap at the end of the playground. But once someone must have been watching from one of the classrooms, as he then got a rocket from his "superior" and we never got orders from this particular character again. It was all really hilarious …

However, CCF maybe wasn't a complete waste of time as it at least provided an opportunity in the upper forms to learn a couple of useful skills – rifle shooting and map reading, and I guessed that the whole exercise might have been of some benefit to those who really were intending to join the Armed Forces one day, but most of us wanted to go into further education anyway.

By the time I had reached the sixth form – when, unbelievably, CCF attendance was still (at least on paper) compulsory - I felt that I had more important things to be doing on a Monday afternoon than parading up and down outside the school buildings, among other things getting my homework done so that I wouldn’t have any to do in the evening. A fellow called Steve Chappell was fairly high up the CCF "hierarchy" and was for quite some time assigned the duty of coming over to the library early on Monday afternoons to check whether any sixth-formers who should have been at CCF were doing homework or reading instead. And quite frequently he would indeed catch one or two. I remember that some of my contemporaries in the RAF cadets continued to go week after week right up to just before their A-levels, but perhaps it was my good fortune that I had been in the Army cadets – Steve was in the RAF, and maybe for this reason he wasn't quite so bothered and only paid token attention to me (and, to my amazement, nobody else bothered me either). As long as none of his RAF contingent was missing, he seemed happy….. In fact, I noted that a surprisingly large number of us managed to get out of CCF shortly after entering the sixth form and no pressure was exerted from outside to make us keep going – the facade seemed to be crumbling.

As regards the annual parades and inspections, one of these ensured that I had the fright of my (Price's) life shortly before I left in 1969 – but this tale is now buried in the depths of the website. A bit of research should bring it to light again though ...

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Regards,

Robin

Tuesday, 8 April 2008

Terry Gleed and CCF uniforms...

I positively hated the CCF and all it stood for. I was so small that for two years they could not find a uniform to fit. When eventually they did the shirt was big enough to to camp out in and my mother spent hours tailoring it to fit me. Tom Hilton then threatened to prosecute for "defacing army property". Can you believe it?

However, I got my own back when it was discovered that I could shoot. I was already a member of Hedge End Rifle Club and shot competitively for them. I was then detailed to go to the range to coach cadets and I did that for the next 3 years. No square bashing and the only time I was brought into line was the Annual Inspection by Brigadier whoever. I am not, by nature, unwilling to play my part but as far as the CCF was concerned I did all I could not to be part of it. Even in later life I encouraged lads of my age to join the army just so that I may not have to go. Fortunately conscription finished 2 monthe before my apprecticship finished so I never did go.

Regards

Terry

Nigel Balchin remembers the CCF

Some CCF memories
I was in the Army section of the CCF and I suppose the high spots were the various camps we went on. Destinations during my time (the late 60s) included Leek in Staffordshire, Bovington (I think) with the Junior Leaders and the Royal Corps of Transport, Otterburn in Northumberland and Newtown in Wales.

Some were for just army cadets whilst others, under the heading of Arduous Training involved all three sections. The most eventful was probably Arduous Training in Newtown.

We arrived to find the accommodation double booked so spent the first night on the floor in a local hall. Later in the week someone put sugar in the petrol tank of the local commander’s transport ( he wasn’t very popular) – I never did find out who did it. Our hike across the Welsh Hills descended into chaos as a number of groups got lost and I seem to recall someone finished up in hospital suffering from exposure. Having cancelled the hike we all went on a day trip to Caernavon.

Regards

Nigel

Motto for the Society?

The President has proposed an OLD PRICEAN MOTTO or slogan for the 2008 Exhibition

“The wisdom of Price is above rubies.”

See the Book of Job, Chapter 28, verse 18, in the King James Version:

“The price of wisdom is above rubies.”

Thursday, 3 April 2008

Remember the CCF?

There has been some very interesting offers of memories from OPs of the War years, inc. detail of dress, badges, courses, camps, Officers etc. Some of the content of the Lion CDs I am sumarising in a spreadsheet of detail from which, ultimately, I will write a longer account of Corps and Band etc.

Perhaps the older members might also contact each other via the OP list, to dig-up some memories, descriptions of uniforms, affiliations with Parent Units, etc. John Suggate (1939 - 45) told me of the rifles in use as having been made in the 1880s - single shot, etc.! For this, I really do need to know more than what has been printed in the Lion. I would like to know who the Officers were, W.O.s also, Band Sergeants, Drum Majors, external Parades attended, Flight Sergeants (or senior NCO) in the RAF section, and the same for the Navy section, of which I know nothing, other than Lion content. Types of courses cadets went on, who earned flying Scholarships, got gliding wings, pilot's license, and other qualifications, inc. those who entered the forces, and those via commissioned ranks, with any essential details of military careers, war service, decorations, wounded, lost in action etc.

Those with knowledge of what the badges were, certs., marksman, signaller, esp. the naval section adornments, a Lion cap badge and details of other cap badges in earlier years etc., all welcome. Anyone who would like to help with the research - I would be pleased to hear from, direct. Photos also needed, with caption detail, and maybe comment, anecdotes, stories, wicked things, accounts of visits, courses. related to same - best scanned and emailed to me. Prepn. time for the Exhibition is very short, now, so almost immediate replies would be best, direct to me.

Thanks,

David Golring 01454 883631